I wasn't going to say anything... but I can't say that I fully agree with this. I hope that everybody has a good time and no body gets hurt but I think it's silly to demand that everyone "behave" themselves just because you're afraid of normal show behavior. People who are intent on being at the very front are going to push and shove to get there and those that don't like it should naturally make way.

It's like the unwritten rule of shows. Everyone wants to be right up there where the band is. Why should only a few people who want their own "space" get to be up at the front rather than those who wouldn't mind sharing their space with others so that more people get to be closer. If you can't hang, and you should know your limits, then you shouldn't be at the front. Your general admission ticket entitles you to the same rights as anyone else there... so you get to choose if faring the crowd at the front is... worth being at the front.

I feel that not doing whatever you can, within reason, to get to be closer to a band that you really look up to and like is disrespectful to the band. When musicians play, they feed off of the energy of the audience (like vampires) and a healthy mix of respect for the person next to you and selfishness for making your experience better is a part of it.

Maybe what I'm saying will be misunderstood as extreme and people will think I'm saying that ribs need to be broken and people need to be trampled, and maybe I'm misunderstanding and you guys aren't being as extreme as I feel that you are... but come on!

I've heard that the New York show was "intense" but I haven't heard one full on complaint of the events that transpired. The VAMPS twitter even said that the NY fans were "awesome". Someone passed out? They probably didn't know their limits, be sure to be WELL HYDRATED and move to the back if you begin to be overwhelmed.

No offense but if you can't handle the intensity of a live show... maybe you should just listen to your CDs at home.

(07-20-2009, 04:18 PM)ccchan2630 Wrote: I wasn't going to say anything... but I can't say that I fully agree with this. I hope that everybody has a good time and no body gets hurt but I think it's silly to demand that everyone "behave" themselves just because you're afraid of normal show behavior. People who are intent on being at the very front are going to push and shove to get there and those that don't like it should naturally make way.

It's like the unwritten rule of shows. Everyone wants to be right up there where the band is. Why should only a few people who want their own "space" get to be up at the front rather than those who wouldn't mind sharing their space with others so that more people get to be closer. If you can't hang, and you should know your limits, then you shouldn't be at the front. Your general admission ticket entitles you to the same rights as anyone else there... so you get to choose if faring the crowd at the front is... worth being at the front.

I feel that not doing whatever you can, within reason, to get to be closer to a band that you really look up to and like is disrespectful to the band. When musicians play, they feed off of the energy of the audience (like vampires) and a healthy mix of respect for the person next to you and selfishness for making your experience better is a part of it.

Maybe what I'm saying will be misunderstood as extreme and people will think I'm saying that ribs need to be broken and people need to be trampled, and maybe I'm misunderstanding and you guys aren't being as extreme as I feel that you are... but come on!

I've heard that the New York show was "intense" but I haven't heard one full on complaint of the events that transpired. The VAMPS twitter even said that the NY fans were "awesome". Someone passed out? They probably didn't know their limits, be sure to be WELL HYDRATED and move to the back if you begin to be overwhelmed.

No offense but if you can't handle the intensity of a live show... maybe you should just listen to your CDs at home.

I'm sorry but people purposely hitting someone, kicking them on purpose and pulling hair on purpose is NOT "intensity of a live show" its rude and uncalled for. Sure you're going to get some bruises but getting the crap beaten out of you for no reason other than being an ass is uncalled for. This person I'm speaking of was in front of this girl and was intentionally doing this stuff to her. Crushing her fingers too while she tried to hold onto the barricade so she didn't get pushed over, yeah that's not really "nice". Some people were even BLEEDING from how rough it was. I've heard other complaints as well as for how rude the crowd was in NYC. It's not just people passing out because that can happen anywhere from heat and/or other causes. **Sorry for the language**

(07-20-2009, 04:27 PM)iceybabes Wrote: I'm sorry but people purposely hitting someone, kicking them on purpose and pulling hair on purpose is NOT "intensity of a live show" its rude and uncalled for. Sure you're going to get some bruises but getting the crap beaten out of you for no reason other than being an ass is uncalled for. This person I'm speaking of was in front of this girl and was intentionally doing this stuff to her. Crushing her fingers too while she tried to hold onto the barricade so she didn't get pushed over, yeah that's not really "nice". Some people were even BLEEDING from how rough it was. I've heard other complaints as well as for how rude the crowd was in NYC. It's not just people passing out because that can happen anywhere from heat and/or other causes. **Sorry for the language**

I agree, THAT is ridiculous.

I guess since I feel like none of us are animals... "don't punch people" seems to go without saying to this group. So telling anyone here not to do things like that seemed so unnecessary that I guess I jumped to conclusions as to what we were talking about.

I hope what I said didn't make me seem like an advocate of that sort of thing. If I saw someone fall down or get hurt OBVIOUSLY I would help them. If I saw someone being viciously attacked, of course I would help them.

Hopefully we understand each other.

(07-20-2009, 04:51 PM)ccchan2630 Wrote:

(07-20-2009, 04:27 PM)iceybabes Wrote: I'm sorry but people purposely hitting someone, kicking them on purpose and pulling hair on purpose is NOT "intensity of a live show" its rude and uncalled for. Sure you're going to get some bruises but getting the crap beaten out of you for no reason other than being an ass is uncalled for. This person I'm speaking of was in front of this girl and was intentionally doing this stuff to her. Crushing her fingers too while she tried to hold onto the barricade so she didn't get pushed over, yeah that's not really "nice". Some people were even BLEEDING from how rough it was. I've heard other complaints as well as for how rude the crowd was in NYC. It's not just people passing out because that can happen anywhere from heat and/or other causes. **Sorry for the language**

I agree, THAT is ridiculous.

I guess since I feel like none of us are animals... "don't punch people" seems to go without saying to this group. So telling anyone here not to do things like that seemed so unnecessary that I guess I jumped to conclusions as to what we were talking about.

I hope what I said didn't make me seem like an advocate of that sort of thing. If I saw someone fall down or get hurt OBVIOUSLY I would help them. If I saw someone being viciously attacked, of course I would help them.

Hopefully we understand each other.

I guess everyone was just making sure we are on the same page and especially since LA's show is being used for a PV. We don't want to seem like rabid wild animals. Just rabid fans LOL. But really I think we were all just shocked that people were doing that. Of course you can't TELL someone how to act, they'll act how they want but I guess just refreshing people's memories on how to act more like a human? It was unbelievable the crap that happened in NYC and as for the twitter saying NY fans are awesome, maybe Ai should have been in the crowd to see how "awesome" it really was. She was backstage she doesn't really know how rough it was. I think she was saying because NYC sold out and all that. Not to mention it was OVER booked so it was more crammed full than was supposed to be.

(07-20-2009, 04:51 PM)ccchan2630 Wrote:

(07-20-2009, 04:27 PM)iceybabes Wrote: I'm sorry but people purposely hitting someone, kicking them on purpose and pulling hair on purpose is NOT "intensity of a live show" its rude and uncalled for. Sure you're going to get some bruises but getting the crap beaten out of you for no reason other than being an ass is uncalled for. This person I'm speaking of was in front of this girl and was intentionally doing this stuff to her. Crushing her fingers too while she tried to hold onto the barricade so she didn't get pushed over, yeah that's not really "nice". Some people were even BLEEDING from how rough it was. I've heard other complaints as well as for how rude the crowd was in NYC. It's not just people passing out because that can happen anywhere from heat and/or other causes. **Sorry for the language**

I agree, THAT is ridiculous.

I guess since I feel like none of us are animals... "don't punch people" seems to go without saying to this group. So telling anyone here not to do things like that seemed so unnecessary that I guess I jumped to conclusions as to what we were talking about.

I hope what I said didn't make me seem like an advocate of that sort of thing. If I saw someone fall down or get hurt OBVIOUSLY I would help them. If I saw someone being viciously attacked, of course I would help them.

Hopefully we understand each other.

the only reason why we post threads like this is to make sure of fans safety not to restrict ppl from having the best night of there life. and it was mandatory rules from HP so im sorry if you dont agree with it. see you on monday.

(07-20-2009, 05:24 PM)malicious Wrote:

(07-20-2009, 04:51 PM)ccchan2630 Wrote:

(07-20-2009, 04:27 PM)iceybabes Wrote: I'm sorry but people purposely hitting someone, kicking them on purpose and pulling hair on purpose is NOT "intensity of a live show" its rude and uncalled for. Sure you're going to get some bruises but getting the crap beaten out of you for no reason other than being an ass is uncalled for. This person I'm speaking of was in front of this girl and was intentionally doing this stuff to her. Crushing her fingers too while she tried to hold onto the barricade so she didn't get pushed over, yeah that's not really "nice". Some people were even BLEEDING from how rough it was. I've heard other complaints as well as for how rude the crowd was in NYC. It's not just people passing out because that can happen anywhere from heat and/or other causes. **Sorry for the language**

I agree, THAT is ridiculous.

I guess since I feel like none of us are animals... "don't punch people" seems to go without saying to this group. So telling anyone here not to do things like that seemed so unnecessary that I guess I jumped to conclusions as to what we were talking about.

I hope what I said didn't make me seem like an advocate of that sort of thing. If I saw someone fall down or get hurt OBVIOUSLY I would help them. If I saw someone being viciously attacked, of course I would help them.

Hopefully we understand each other.

the only reason why we post threads like this is to make sure of fans safety not to restrict ppl from having the best night of there life. and it was mandatory rules from HP so im sorry if you dont agree with it. see you on monday.

Believe me one may not feel like an animal right now, but most of the fans that went to the east coast lives felt the same way. Is not like they go thinking "I'm going to hit someone today". Euphoria and emotions take over reason. It happens with most humans so it's not like we think everyone here is an animal and goes around trying to hurt people. I think 10 people out of the 300 are more than necessary to harm the rest and ruin all the fun. Even if it's not by hurting them but by crashing them towards the barrier just because they want to be closer to the band "they love" but didn't mind lining up earlier. Those are the same that cut into line and believe me it it's not a few.

I've seen girls lining up next to me and you may never think they were going to be the first ones pulling your hair and bouncing their way to get you out of there.

This thread is merely to warn those that let go of themselves in that stupid way that it won't be tolerated specially since the venue is so small. We can always call security and they can wait one more year to see vamps again. I'm not getting anymore bruises ¬¬!

Oh and Please MEMORIZE who is in front if you and behind you and make sure if you see someone else bringing 4 friends that weren't there from the start you tell the rest about it. Of course we don't work for the venue and of course we don't own the line.. but you wouldn't believe all the arguments these people have for cutting into line, is just lame. If they don't belong there. They must go to the back!!!

Yeah, I fear being trampled. The layout of Wasted Space is tiny and there are tables, booths, and rails all around (unless they can magically remove those for concerts). I'm hoping that they have some form of crowd control.

I'd hate to come back home with a black eye, busted lip, and scratches all over me. "Gee, what happened to you?" "Well, you see... I went to a concert..." -_-

(07-20-2009, 09:54 PM)BuddhaLamp Wrote: Yeah, I fear being trampled. The layout of Wasted Space is tiny and there are tables, booths, and rails all around (unless they can magically remove those for concerts). I'm hoping that they have some form of crowd control.

I'd hate to come back home with a black eye, busted lip, and scratches all over me. "Gee, what happened to you?" "Well, you see... I went to a concert..." -_-

actually most if not all the tables are in seperate rooms within the venue, the stage is kinda further away from them of course for the space to stand

(07-20-2009, 11:53 PM)malicious Wrote:

(07-20-2009, 09:54 PM)BuddhaLamp Wrote: Yeah, I fear being trampled. The layout of Wasted Space is tiny and there are tables, booths, and rails all around (unless they can magically remove those for concerts). I'm hoping that they have some form of crowd control.

I'd hate to come back home with a black eye, busted lip, and scratches all over me. "Gee, what happened to you?" "Well, you see... I went to a concert..." -_-

actually most if not all the tables are in seperate rooms within the venue, the stage is kinda further away from them of course for the space to stand

Is it really? I was watching the Cary Hart tour of the place on YouTube and it all looked like one big room with railing and tables. The stage was set off in the corner beside the bar. All in all, I still fear trampling :\

Check the wasted space website they have a map. Since it's 300 people or less since it's not sold out I don't think we'll have any problems.