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I think this kind of lists should be created by persons previously authorized by the promoter, venue or band staff / management to work better.
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(07-17-2010, 01:17 PM)Bebe Wrote:
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(07-17-2010, 03:20 AM)Bebe Wrote: The big issue with cutting is, as was mentioned before, when a group holds a spot for a person or two, who have 3 friends with them, who have a boyfriend with them, who has another friend with them, who has 2 more friends, and so on, who all show up an hour or two before doors time, without the people behind them having any prior knowledge of it.

I would NEVER do this, and if I was aware of people doing it to myself or others, I wouldn't stand for it, and I would stick up for others. If the list is there to prevent this, then sure, I support having a list.

I don't think that a group holding spot for one or two people, who arrive many hours before doors time, and hopefully have let the people around/behind them know they are coming, is that much of an issue. As H.P. mentioned, she was holding a spot for someone, and let the people around her know, so it wouldn't be an issue.

Honestly, I don't know if my friends let the people around them know they were holding a spot for me. I thought that they had, or tried to. But if they didn't, I'm truly sorry, it's my fault for not getting there the same time they did.

Lists didn't bother me before. The root of the reason why having a list upsets me now since the Wiltern show, is that I ask myself, why was I considered an "issue" when I joined my friends, but someone else (sorry I don't mean to attack you H.P.) can hold a spot for someone in a similar way WITHOUT it being an issue?

At the time, I thought that because H.P. was in some way involved with the list (I assumed she was, because she was the one who asked me to sign it) it was "allowed" for her to include her friend, but not for my friends to include me. That's just the way it seemed at the time. And that is what really turned me off to having a list - it SEEMED like a way for the people involved in the creation and/or execution of the list to allow who they wanted, and not allow who they didn't want to.

And, when there's a list it makes no sense for me to not sign it just because I don't like it, as that's not going to make it disappear. That would just make me look like I wasn't even there in line at all.

btw again H.P., I don't mean to specifically insult you or attack you, because I don't necessarily think you did something wrong. I just don't understand why it's a double standard - that some can do what you did, but others cannot.

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For starters, I didn't even know you were with anyone else other than the person that was with you. When I asked you to sign the list, I specifically told you that the list wasn't official and that it was meant for in case we got removed from the line, everyone could like up accordingly. So that way, issues of having to re-line up could be avoided. At that time, that was what I was told the list was about. I wasn't the one who started it. This isn't a personal attack on you, rather, I just hope to clarify the situation. I had never met you before that night, and you didn't express to me that you were supposed to be in line with your friends, or however that was to work.

This is completely untrue. Maybe you've forgotten, and it would make sense if you had forgotten because this was nearly a year ago, and so much happened that day.

When I first arrived to the line in the middle of the night, and you said hello to me and asked me to sign up at the list, I told you I had friends who had arrived already that were holding me a spot, that I really wanted to join them, and would feel more comfortable if I could. I absolutely DID express that to you. I told you I was going to go find them, and I walked away from you to go get in line with them. I don't know how I could have been any clearer with you to make you understand, when I had already told you very clearly, and you had absolutely acknowledged what I had said.

You held a spot for a friend in the same way my friends held a spot for me. I showed up to the line even earlier than your friend did, because I believe I remember when she came. Please don't act like I did something wrong, accusing me of not telling you my intent when I did (who are you that I should have to tell, anyway?) and acting like it's okay for you, thanks. That's what I don't want this list to bring about as it did last year, that some are privileged to hold spots and others aren't. Official or not, those who aren't privileged to be able to have a spot held for them according to the list will be called issues, almost a year later, for expressing an opinion on the matter.

If the list is really only to keep things generally organized when people camp, then fine, I don't have problems with it.

Ha~ agree! Ok so, in LA i was told by YOU (H.P.) that the line was to avoid cutting. You said "You can sign the list and leave.." because it was to HOLD your spot in line. And that we werent allowed to let people cut period. I remember exactly because you even gave us directions to Hollywood Blvd. for my friend to get her tattoo. SO we left for a few hrs and exchanged place with friends who were really "holding" our spots. We all even slept there ALL OF US. And yet that morning your friend came in and cut with YOU! And yet you give shit to bebe for cutting?? She came at 4am! your friend was there hours before only! I remember that exactly because you sat that down in the sidewalk and cried because you pretty much contradicted yourself. I cant believe you all are having such a big issue about this! PEOPLE.ARE.GOING.TO.CUT.REGARDLESS. Our Street Team Leader is full proof of that. I am ok with like stated before 3 ppl max, we will all sign the fucking list because then it will be seen as we cut if we're not in it but its STUPID. period.

(and just to clear things up I am not accusing anyone, its ok that Heather let her friend cut IT DOESNT MATTER, it was ONE person, nothing wrong with that but seriously??)

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(07-17-2010, 01:17 PM)Bebe Wrote:
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(07-17-2010, 03:20 AM)Bebe Wrote: The big issue with cutting is, as was mentioned before, when a group holds a spot for a person or two, who have 3 friends with them, who have a boyfriend with them, who has another friend with them, who has 2 more friends, and so on, who all show up an hour or two before doors time, without the people behind them having any prior knowledge of it.

I would NEVER do this, and if I was aware of people doing it to myself or others, I wouldn't stand for it, and I would stick up for others. If the list is there to prevent this, then sure, I support having a list.

I don't think that a group holding spot for one or two people, who arrive many hours before doors time, and hopefully have let the people around/behind them know they are coming, is that much of an issue. As H.P. mentioned, she was holding a spot for someone, and let the people around her know, so it wouldn't be an issue.

Honestly, I don't know if my friends let the people around them know they were holding a spot for me. I thought that they had, or tried to. But if they didn't, I'm truly sorry, it's my fault for not getting there the same time they did.

Lists didn't bother me before. The root of the reason why having a list upsets me now since the Wiltern show, is that I ask myself, why was I considered an "issue" when I joined my friends, but someone else (sorry I don't mean to attack you H.P.) can hold a spot for someone in a similar way WITHOUT it being an issue?

At the time, I thought that because H.P. was in some way involved with the list (I assumed she was, because she was the one who asked me to sign it) it was "allowed" for her to include her friend, but not for my friends to include me. That's just the way it seemed at the time. And that is what really turned me off to having a list - it SEEMED like a way for the people involved in the creation and/or execution of the list to allow who they wanted, and not allow who they didn't want to.

And, when there's a list it makes no sense for me to not sign it just because I don't like it, as that's not going to make it disappear. That would just make me look like I wasn't even there in line at all.

btw again H.P., I don't mean to specifically insult you or attack you, because I don't necessarily think you did something wrong. I just don't understand why it's a double standard - that some can do what you did, but others cannot.

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For starters, I didn't even know you were with anyone else other than the person that was with you. When I asked you to sign the list, I specifically told you that the list wasn't official and that it was meant for in case we got removed from the line, everyone could like up accordingly. So that way, issues of having to re-line up could be avoided. At that time, that was what I was told the list was about. I wasn't the one who started it. This isn't a personal attack on you, rather, I just hope to clarify the situation. I had never met you before that night, and you didn't express to me that you were supposed to be in line with your friends, or however that was to work.

This is completely untrue. Maybe you've forgotten, and it would make sense if you had forgotten because this was nearly a year ago, and so much happened that day.

When I first arrived to the line in the middle of the night, and you said hello to me and asked me to sign up at the list, I told you I had friends who had arrived already that were holding me a spot, that I really wanted to join them, and would feel more comfortable if I could. I absolutely DID express that to you. I told you I was going to go find them, and I walked away from you to go get in line with them. I don't know how I could have been any clearer with you to make you understand, when I had already told you very clearly, and you had absolutely acknowledged what I had said.

You held a spot for a friend in the same way my friends held a spot for me. I showed up to the line even earlier than your friend did, because I believe I remember when she came. Please don't act like I did something wrong, accusing me of not telling you my intent when I did (who are you that I should have to tell, anyway?) and acting like it's okay for you, thanks. That's what I don't want this list to bring about as it did last year, that some are privileged to hold spots and others aren't. Official or not, those who aren't privileged to be able to have a spot held for them according to the list will be called issues, almost a year later, for expressing an opinion on the matter.

If the list is really only to keep things generally organized when people camp, then fine, I don't have problems with it.

Ha~ agree! Ok so, in LA i was told by YOU (H.P.) that the line was to avoid cutting. You said "You can sign the list and leave.." because it was to HOLD your spot in line. And that we werent allowed to let people cut period. I remember exactly because you even gave us directions to Hollywood Blvd. for my friend to get her tattoo. SO we left for a few hrs and exchanged place with friends who were really "holding" our spots. We all even slept there ALL OF US. And yet that morning your friend came in and cut with YOU! And yet you give shit to bebe for cutting?? She came at 4am! your friend was there hours before only! I remember that exactly because you sat that down in the sidewalk and cried because you pretty much contradicted yourself. I cant believe you all are having such a big issue about this! PEOPLE.ARE.GOING.TO.CUT.REGARDLESS. Our Street Team Leader is full proof of that. I am ok with like stated before 3 ppl max, we will all sign the fucking list because then it will be seen as we cut if we're not in it but its STUPID. period.

(and just to clear things up I am not accusing anyone, its ok that Heather let her friend cut IT DOESNT MATTER, it was ONE person, nothing wrong with that but seriously??)

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Bebe,

To my knowledge, I don't remember you ever expressing having said you were with friends who already arrived. And you're right, it has been almost year since the incident and I at the time, I was pretty much going off of 0 energy with little sleep, so it is possible that I may have forgotten. Furthermore, I am not accusing you of anything, I was describing the situation as I remember it. I'm not blaming you, nor to quote Jazmin, am I "giving you shit about it." As for the issue with my friend, I have already previously stated what happened, and I'm not going to repeat myself again. Quite frankly, this whole thread has been taken way off topic and I'm done arguing about something that happened almost a year ago.

Jazmin,

To quote you directly: "And yet you give shit to bebe for cutting??" I am not nor have I ever did become hostile towards Bebe in ANY manner in this forum, or even in person. Bebe initiated the conversation and so I clarified the conversation by stating what I remembered happened.

"I remember that exactly because you sat that down in the sidewalk and cried because you pretty much contradicted yourself."

I have already previously stated the situation that happened. I did not contradict myself Jazmin. However, much like I told Bebe already in the post above, the thread has already been taken way off-topic and I'm done talking about this.
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Now I am too lazy to quote you all, but I will try to keep order in my post.

Some people would arrive to the place, sign themselves, then claim they'd go to their hotels for a little while, and ended up appearing A LOT of time before... like the next day. Some groups chose a friend they'd let there guarding the spots while they went sightseeing, and if the friends said it was ok, who am I to tell then not to permit such abuse against themselves?
I hate holding spots for people that will arrive later, I hate people holding spots for me if I am not there from the beginning and merely have to go to the bathroom, to change or buy something or get a shower or whatever. I feel uncomfortable. I'd rather enter later than being there. Now that is MY opinion.

I saw people I was fond of from previous shows, like Laura (Shockstar) and Jazmine and Brittney (with Melissa and Tracy it apparently just didn't work) and I would loved to have saved spots for them, but I didn't think it was right for the ret of the guys in the line. If it was for me, I'd say Heather should enter first because she worked a lot for VAMPS, the people in this forum, I know, will say that she does nothing extraordinary, that they worked hard too... I don't care about your opinions, I do appreciate her work. She was very pressed, and I think it is really low to say "she was crying about contradicting herself". She was under a lot of pressure from people asking stuff she had no answer to, because apparently, in your opinion, she has the right to work hard and have answers and please everyone and has the right to be insulted and criticized about her work and no considerations should be had with her, not even a simple polite "thank you".

Bebe, your friends never mentioned you before you arrived :-( Not that I heard or remember. Sorry about that, I don't recall them trying to sing their friend Bebe in the list. I called "issue" the incident involving you, the incident involving the 2 asian girls (H.P.'s friend and the girl in purple) I also called "issue" the incident involving the group that was stubborn about cutting. Because where cases where things didn't go as expected. If you feel personally offended about your case being called "an issue" IMO it was, but I offer an apology and will not call it again in such terms.

To Laura (the Moderator) I'd love the promoter, venue/band staff to authorize organization, so if someone attending this concert might contact -J and/or AVALON and ask them about this matter, I think it'd be sweet! I won't even try because I will not be attending and I don't even live in USA neither am I as fluent in english as I'd like to be.

Now Jazmin, please don't get carried away and talk about "giving shit" to anyone to start, I have a problem with cutters, Heather was more worried about the fanbook, the banner, and she didn't even start the list, I mentioned Bebe... or rather, she mentioned herself specifically. Heather ended up very very back in the Wiltern, I really wished that being the "Street Team Leader" would report more benefits than having too much attention in a bad way, I wished she could get more info than we all do, or abuse her power or anything, because as things are, you all seem to think she takes a lot of advantage of her "job" while you all appear to be trying to find ways to make it harder all the time... besides I don't think she'd do it, she's boring like that X-D I know a few fans that think that way: to involve in organization to get special/free tickets, V.I.P. passes, to meet the band at the dressing rooms or something, and Heather is not one of those. (these guys I speak about are mexican, so please don't feel alluded).
If you think the list is STUPID, then let things flow naturally, since we human beings are good-natured and trustworthy or can fight their own battles... I guess it'd be nice if things could be solved in slapping fights with a winner and a loser, but things are never that simple, sadly, that's why violence makes no sense, it doesn't help. If I care enough, I will be there EXTRA early, because that's the only way to be sure about getting a good spot, you can be person #14 on a line and end up entering the 50th because we suck. In this cases, nothing is assured for anyone. And if I arrived the first I would still make a list because I don't like cutters. I will sadly not go to any of the shows... or happily ._. because things are getting a little ugly even before the first one.

I do wish the line goes smoothly for you all and that however it develops, it doesn't ruin your experience.
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(07-17-2010, 03:38 PM)VAMPS + American Street Team + Wrote: Jazmin,

To quote you directly: "And yet you give shit to bebe for cutting??" I am not nor have I ever did become hostile towards Bebe in ANY manner in this forum, or even in person. Bebe initiated the conversation and so I clarified the conversation by stating what I remembered happened.

"I remember that exactly because you sat that down in the sidewalk and cried because you pretty much contradicted yourself."

I have already previously stated the situation that happened. I did not contradict myself Jazmin. However, much like I told Bebe already in the post above, the thread has already been taken way off-topic and I'm done talking about this.

Did not contradict youself? You mean by telling us no cutting was allowed and then letting you friend cut? Right ok~ (again, I'm not agaisnt it whatever it was person whatever the reason, but you DID contradict youself then)

I simply had to say something because (maybe not you but others) put people down for cutting again over a STUPID thing as a list... its well stupid. It seems to me by previous post that everyone is ok with 1-3ppl doing it so why bring bebe or the other 2 "issue people" up? We all know people are going to do it, so just deal with it >__> forget the stupid lists/numbers that don't even work, get there early and watch your spot. I do agree with you in one thing, this whole thing is way off-topic and stupid so I'm outta here again.

Sorry if I sound like a total bitch but it sounds like fans agaisnt fans here nonstop! What happened to everyone looking foward to meet fellow vamps fans!? It used to be fun!! Now people act like they have a divine right to run/control things! I'm sick of it that's why I left in the first place, if anyone wishes to be FRIENDS and actually ENJOY VAMPS then I hope to meet you in line at any of the US shows or Europe~ *wiii~* bye bye~ *banishes*
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Jeeeezzzzeeeeeeeeeee......can we all just play nice here now??? Icon_eek

This has gotten way out of hand....... Icon_cry


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=____= just as I was about to leave too lol wow~ ok Hedelex! I AGREE!! I don't like cuttinng! AT ALL!! That's why I slept on the floor that night too with my friends!! *I* watched my spot! Heather told us NO cutting she was right! I agreed! And then she turns around and let her friend cut, ok then that's when tracy/melissa let bebe cut!

Now I just wrote a whole thing about Heather being under stress and being S.T leader blah blah but deleted it cuz u know what? Let her bring that up and I'll say quite a few things back. (Or not really cuz I'm not posting in this thread again) Tokio seems to do more in my opinion sorry I don't see her bring issues up :x Heather can defend herself, she can message me if she wants since I don't wanna make this public. But umm yeah I say what I want thanks ^^


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I've been at work all day so I haven't been following this much I'm also posting on my cell but I want the one that told bebe to stay with us because she was with her mom and couldnt arrive ay the same time as jazMin and the rest of is so don't blame bebe I told her it was ok

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’Username’ pid=’14130’ dateline=’1279407813’ Wrote:=____= just as I was about to leave too lol wow~ ok Hedelex! I AGREE!! I don’t like cuttinng! AT ALL!! That’s why I slept on the floor that night too with my friends!! *I* watched my spot! Heather told us NO cutting she was right! I agreed! And then she turns around and let her friend cut, ok then that’s when tracy/melissa let bebe cut!

Now I just wrote a whole thing about Heather being under stress and being S.T leader blah blah but deleted it cuz u know what? Let her bring that up and I’ll say quite a few things back. (Or not really cuz I’m not posting in this thread again) Tokio seems to do more in my opinion sorry I don’t see her bring issues up :x Heather can defend herself, she can message me if she wants since I don’t wanna make this public. But umm yeah I say what I want thanks ^^


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O_O Who are you? And I don’t mean an insult, I do wonder because there was no signature and you said Heather could message you.
Also I’d like people to stop using “Thanx” to end their posts, we have devaluated enough the words X-D “Thank you” are beautiful words and I don’t think we should use them that way... but that is my opinion :-p And I love most people in this forum too n_n

Ok, I repeat: IT WAS NOT Heather’s idea to make the list, NOR did she set the guidelines, she DID HELP passing the list and stuff. PLEASE STOP harassing her about the faults of the list. I could more easily be blamed than her, she had minimum participation on that list. I can’t help but feeling you are too hard with Heather I don’t know if you have had contact with her outside the forum and had a bad experience thus explaining the actions, but I feel like you are posting against her specifically. What do you want?

I would give Tokio a medal and I’d still say Heather has done much for VAMPS. Thank you Tokio, I do appreciate your work too, a lot, this forum would not exist without you.
How does that make the work of Heather nothing?


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I do agree on that! Enjoy VAMPS!!! They are not always available!


And Tracy, I know there was a good explanation, there always is a good explanation. I just don’t comprehend why if thinks got solved out and supposedly nobody cares, people has to complain SO MUCH about the damned list and if Bebe’s friends decided it was ok to make line with her and she did, they can’t leave H.P. situation alone; what is STUPID, IMO is to punch back someone that punched you first and then complain 1,000 times about the first punch. The list solved small problems in the line like “I was here first” “No it was me” And we could check the list and know who was first there, it also solved the controversy of the group that wanted to cut line even when people around them insisted on the fact that was NOT their spot.
This all began because Melissa said that
’iceybabes’ pid=’13985’ dateline=’1279068223’ Wrote:I don’t see why ONE single person should be in charge of that, and as for people cutting in front of others you have to learn to stand up for yourself and say “I don’t think so, get to the back you weren’t here before so go back” There was like 3 different “line” lists by the time the show came along in LA so...I think a list is pointless since it can be redone and redone because I was supposed to be number 9 or 10 in LA and since peoples friends cut in front of me I was like 15. I didn’t realize it at the time and since there was so much DRAMA before hand about not letting people’s friends cut I didn’t want to start something 30 minutes before the concert. Oh well I got front row so I’m not going to complain.

And again: THAT IS A LIE. Not only ONE person was in charge, and that ONE person would NOT be Heather if there was one.
There was ONE list, not 3.
And if “cut” needs to be said, ONE person cut in before Melissa and ONE after her. No 10 to 15, see?
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