(07-14-2010, 02:08 PM)iceybabes Wrote: I just think that how US FANS did it in SF worked just fine ( I KNOW this is the LA section and I KNOW we're talking about LA). There wasn't a list or anything there was numbers and if you were holding someone's place you told the person who was numbering your hand so they could skip a number or two for the next person. I personally don't think its up to anyone to judge who can and cannot be in line, if they cut then the person in front of them should speak up and say hey you weren't here all day and USUALLY the people in front of you tell you if they are holding someones place. But whatever. I won't cut in line or anything but if someone cuts in front of me you can bet I'll be telling them something. But it seems people got all sensitive and cried about not letting their friend cut in line (contradictory if you ask me) but it wasn't OK for other people to do the same. IF people say right off that "I'm holding a spot for a friend, she/he will be here later" then its fine but if its not said until that person arrives that's wrong and people should expect others to get mad. We are old enough to make decisions for ourselves I don't think we need a leader to boss us around or anything. But if whoever wants to make a list whatever, make a list.

I was told that in SF a lot of people cut in the line, maybe it was behind you.
In LV I was also told that Some people would arrive to the deserted place where the line would be and number themselves "1" as nobody was there. And that in the end you had a lot of 1, a lot of 2, a lot of 3... etc. It is very sad but people will cheat if needed to be in the front, some people take too seriously the saying about the purpose justifying the means.

The list's been used in most mexican concerts of J-Rock, and it is working so far. We tried numbering but people would cheat and get markers and then you had repeated numbers and that is very hard to judge by staff, especially in cases where a limited number of people is to get something, people can be very stubborn and each person would pull 8 witnesses, and who are you going to believe? The list is organized by the fans, but it is approved by the venue's staff, they do not interfere because the policy is that they do not interfere... but they also think, as organizers, that is saves everyone much trouble, when the line is forming they come and ask "are you already making a list?" and if people is, they smile. So I still think the list is a good idea... I'm not going, so you can do whatever you want X-D I came basically because you said there were 3 lists and that is a blatant lie.

(07-14-2010, 03:32 PM)Bebe Wrote: Agree

And yes, Bebe, I am sure you agree. I remember you from the line at the Wiltern.

(07-14-2010, 08:34 PM)gakkuhai Wrote: We just don't want a repeat of last year when some people (Hedelex ) had to deliver the smackdown on some rude cutters! And yes :) I think we will make a list.

I delivered nothing, really :-p It was just that some people needed to get ignored at a point, they had warnings! and it wasn't me... everyone in the line had the same feeling towards that particular group because we all warned them many times around. The group even crossed their arms and told me there was nothing I could do to them, and said something like "try to move me"... this was the point where I was starting to consider the idea of letting people sort the problem by themselves, like IceyBabes said, that each group would have to sort their own issues, because, honestly, I already had my spot, I was exhausted, a little famished, very tired of giving the same explanations a hundred times and had not gotten sleep in 3 nights, also I was very sure it was hard that someone could cut the line in front of me since I was number 2 X-D But this group even told them I had given them authorization to cut the line O_O so, some people came to me not asking for help, but complaining, I was very involved :-p and of course there is the fact that... why should you shut up when someone wants to get around a group of people who worked hard on getting those spots?? You arrive early, you sacrifice sight-seeing, you sleep on the street, you suffer hunger, and a bunch of guys have the nerve think they don't need to do such stuff, that's not fair. If they care that much, they should work on it. So I agreed with them, I had no authority over anyone... so I invited the line to ignore them, and we did. In lists there is no boss, the list is like a society, it exists because people choose to stay in a group and more or less respect the rules imposed by common agreement, the list protects the people listed, the sign their names on the list to have a physical proof that they were there before the 5 people after them. If people doesn't want a list, wel...I don't care X-D

(07-15-2010, 05:40 AM)The Shockstar Wrote: I plan to play it cool if anyone has the nerve to take advantage of my kindness because they are the one who have to deal with the lacking morality delema.

Way to go! That is very kind and moral from you, I admire it but I don't have the same feelings :-p
I try to be kind, but if someone plays dirty, they can't expect me to do nothing X-D
I hope nobody takes advantage of you, you are a very nice person I came to appreciate a lot even if we met briefly. :-)