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(03-18-2010, 02:34 AM)VAMPkito Wrote: [ -> ]Not to sound like a whiner, but not only did they cut ten songs from the set list but also didn't even make it region-free? To be honest, if we were still in the FAITH days, I'd expect it to still be in Region 2 even if it IS directed even partially to the American fans, but the fact is that J already said "Expect all DVD's in the future to be region-free." I feel deceived and lied to >: I hadn't had plans to get the DVD anyway, but good lord, it's like if I were to give a younger relative a toy for his birthday, then cut the toy in half, and then take the batteries out. There's simply no winning in that situation.

And again, to be perfectly honest, I didn't expect them to make ANY of the DVD's region-free, so VAMPS LIVE 2008 being region-free was definitely a nice prize, but the very point in releasing it region-free was to help the band reach out to viewers across the oceans, so you would think that if ANY of the DVD's would be region-free, then the most logical choice would be the one that was made for overseas fans.

So before I continue ranting on about this, I must ask how much more it costs to produce and distribute a region-free DVD as opposed to a specific-region DVD? I would imagine the latter would cost more as there is more programming involved in the locking of regions than there is in simply leaving out the lock-out device. Even in that case, though, I don't think that the region has anything to do with the price (though don't quote me on that). The weight and amount of content on the disc would remain the same regardless, so I'm pretty sure that they're not making it region-free has nothing to do with cost, so I see no reason why this DVD isn't region-free... well, except maybe one thing.

I even said myself, in this very topic I do believe, that I was just going to look up this DVD on YouTube, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Many non-Japanese (not to say Japanese fans DON'T do this, but since they have the luxury of domestic distribution, the amount that do so is probably dramatically less) fans will and have done the same thing with most of their DVD's, including FAITH LIVE, VAMPS LIVE 2008 and even the singles' DVD's (for the making-of documentary). The third of which is forgivable, however, as the DVD's in those only come in the first press editions.

So what am I getting at with this? Well, although I just engaged in a long rant about how irritating it was that they didn't release it in a region-free format, I think I see WHY they chose to not do so in the first place, and that is that they are potentially becoming more and more aware and less and less forgiving of our illegal viewing--and illegal uploading for that matter--of their material. Remember, they now have a VAMPROSE YouTube channel, so although they would occasionally file a copyright complaint to YouTube, subsequently causing the video to be deleted and the account of the uploader to be given the appropriate punishment beforehand, they now host much of their content on the exact same site that people continue to illegally view and upload their videos to, so chances are that they can see clearly for their own eyes just what most of us are doing- that is, viewing their content for free and not supporting them by buying it ourselves, which to a musician is like a slap across the face.

The sad part is that many people don't see the harm they're doing. They think things like "Oh, they get too much money anyway" or "What's one download?" What they don't realize is that everyone else is thinking the exact same thing. Therefore, it's not a direct loss, but an accumulated loss. Millions and millions of downloads are made each day and the music industry is a critical target. Thousands upon thousands of potential dollars go down the drain each day, which is why the music industry is currently under fire today.

Please don't mistake my words, though. I'm pretty sure that most of the people on this board have done the right thing and supported them by purchasing their DVD's, but this board is without a doubt FAR from an accurate representation of the overall overseas fandome. A good deal of us have sadly not done a very good job in supporting VAMPS.

BUT Let's not spend all our time pointing fingers or placing the blame on VAMPS. Instead, I think this is the perfect opportunity and just the sort of reasoning we need to get out there and rack our brains for ideas so that we can work harder for more ideas to promote and support VAMPS and encourage others to do so as well. VAMPS have busted their asses for us many times in the past, and this September, they're about to do so again even though we, on many occasions, have failed to support them. I've read many interviews of HYDE and seen many videos in which HYDE would consider himself less-than-worthy or in one particular instance call him "undeserving" of the praise and love he gets from his fans, which, as well all know, is far from true. It is the fans that are undeserving of all the love, dedication, and general quirks we get as a result of his hard work, but still he does so much for us.

Long story short, let's work together to continue supporting VAMPS and encouraging others to do the same so that maybe we can continue to get the region-free DVD's we love so much.



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VAMPkito,

First off, I pretty much agree with everything you've said. However, in addition to the DVD being a pain in the ass to watch (due to its not being region-free), I have a lot of other issues with it as well. I'll post it later because I'm at work right now. But yeah...this DVD was an EPIC disappointment, to say the least.

- H.P.
(03-18-2010, 01:18 PM)polarwhiteseal Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 03:23 AM)Hedelex Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 02:43 AM)polarwhiteseal Wrote: [ -> ]Being region-free or not seems like a small problem.. but in this situation, it's adding fuel to the flame. I see you're going at VAMPkito, no worries bro. They need to think of us fans more.

let's just be glad they will be returning to the US this coming Fall. :D then we will give them hell about the DVD >:D

LOL I really don't see a big issue on the DVD thing :-p
About support... many fans from Latin America have reacted not angry at VAMPS but at themselves, and I disagree. I am not angry at VAMPS, last year I was VERY angry because of the first name of the tour and what it really was (AMERICA TOUR->USA TOUR) might seem a logical thing for people living in the USA, but for us was like being told we'd get cookies, then saying we wouldn't because it was obvious they were not addressing all of us or something like that :-p It was for me a matter of how things were said, about painful misunderstandings and the apparent lack of sensitivity to tell us we weren't in. Were we naive? most likely, but still we were hurt, we didn't need to be called silly after that shock X-D
This time around they've been very careful, I respect that a lot.
But as I don't blame them, I don't think we should blame ourselves. During last year's tour, we fans were told a lot that the band was bound to be awesome if we had traveled, camped, made banners, whatever for them, they ARE awesome, but we do our best too. Promoting VAMPS is not our "duty" or "homework", it is our pleasure :-D

haha there aren't any one big issue with the DVD. It's just multiple ones that add up, that's what I meant.

Yeah, I can see your frustration, Hedelex, with the whole misunderstanding of "America Tour." They should really specify. Then again, people from outside America doesn't really see the way we do. To them, we are a huge country, so I'm guessing they can only generalize rather than specify where they would perform in a country. Sorta like how we think of Europe. What's the first thing we think of? Probably London for most of us. We only think of the big name cities rather than small unknown ones. Just my two cents. I don't know what I'm yapping about lol.

*sigh* either way, the DVD is out. Not much we can do now. If J ever holds a panel again like he did at Anime Expo 2009, let's voice our opinions again and make something clear to him so he can relay the info back to VAMPS. And please, to certain people(probably no one on this forums), don't ask him silly questions again...

Ok....excuse me for being ignorant....I thought the tour was an American tour? Now I am understanding that this was not what people thought it was?
Sorry for being dense.....can you please explain what the problem was? I am truly confused.
(03-18-2010, 04:20 PM)cathb Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 01:18 PM)polarwhiteseal Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 03:23 AM)Hedelex Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 02:43 AM)polarwhiteseal Wrote: [ -> ]Being region-free or not seems like a small problem.. but in this situation, it's adding fuel to the flame. I see you're going at VAMPkito, no worries bro. They need to think of us fans more.

let's just be glad they will be returning to the US this coming Fall. :D then we will give them hell about the DVD >:D

LOL I really don't see a big issue on the DVD thing :-p
About support... many fans from Latin America have reacted not angry at VAMPS but at themselves, and I disagree. I am not angry at VAMPS, last year I was VERY angry because of the first name of the tour and what it really was (AMERICA TOUR->USA TOUR) might seem a logical thing for people living in the USA, but for us was like being told we'd get cookies, then saying we wouldn't because it was obvious they were not addressing all of us or something like that :-p It was for me a matter of how things were said, about painful misunderstandings and the apparent lack of sensitivity to tell us we weren't in. Were we naive? most likely, but still we were hurt, we didn't need to be called silly after that shock X-D
This time around they've been very careful, I respect that a lot.
But as I don't blame them, I don't think we should blame ourselves. During last year's tour, we fans were told a lot that the band was bound to be awesome if we had traveled, camped, made banners, whatever for them, they ARE awesome, but we do our best too. Promoting VAMPS is not our "duty" or "homework", it is our pleasure :-D

haha there aren't any one big issue with the DVD. It's just multiple ones that add up, that's what I meant.

Yeah, I can see your frustration, Hedelex, with the whole misunderstanding of "America Tour." They should really specify. Then again, people from outside America doesn't really see the way we do. To them, we are a huge country, so I'm guessing they can only generalize rather than specify where they would perform in a country. Sorta like how we think of Europe. What's the first thing we think of? Probably London for most of us. We only think of the big name cities rather than small unknown ones. Just my two cents. I don't know what I'm yapping about lol.

*sigh* either way, the DVD is out. Not much we can do now. If J ever holds a panel again like he did at Anime Expo 2009, let's voice our opinions again and make something clear to him so he can relay the info back to VAMPS. And please, to certain people(probably no one on this forums), don't ask him silly questions again...

Ok....excuse me for being ignorant....I thought the tour was an American tour? Now I am understanding that this was not what people thought it was?
Sorry for being dense.....can you please explain what the problem was? I am truly confused.

no problem, cathb. I think what Hedelex meant was... when VAMPS announced their tour last year, they said America Tour. So some people thought it could happen in North America as well as South America. Unfortunately, just by saying America tour made it too vague and got people from South America's hopes up because they think they would get a tour too with the theory that since MONORAL went to Mexico, VAMPS will too, since they are part of the same record label. However, to VAMPS, America means USA.

VAMPS + American Street Team +

(03-18-2010, 04:20 PM)cathb Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 01:18 PM)polarwhiteseal Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 03:23 AM)Hedelex Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 02:43 AM)polarwhiteseal Wrote: [ -> ]Being region-free or not seems like a small problem.. but in this situation, it's adding fuel to the flame. I see you're going at VAMPkito, no worries bro. They need to think of us fans more.

let's just be glad they will be returning to the US this coming Fall. :D then we will give them hell about the DVD >:D

LOL I really don't see a big issue on the DVD thing :-p
About support... many fans from Latin America have reacted not angry at VAMPS but at themselves, and I disagree. I am not angry at VAMPS, last year I was VERY angry because of the first name of the tour and what it really was (AMERICA TOUR->USA TOUR) might seem a logical thing for people living in the USA, but for us was like being told we'd get cookies, then saying we wouldn't because it was obvious they were not addressing all of us or something like that :-p It was for me a matter of how things were said, about painful misunderstandings and the apparent lack of sensitivity to tell us we weren't in. Were we naive? most likely, but still we were hurt, we didn't need to be called silly after that shock X-D
This time around they've been very careful, I respect that a lot.
But as I don't blame them, I don't think we should blame ourselves. During last year's tour, we fans were told a lot that the band was bound to be awesome if we had traveled, camped, made banners, whatever for them, they ARE awesome, but we do our best too. Promoting VAMPS is not our "duty" or "homework", it is our pleasure :-D

haha there aren't any one big issue with the DVD. It's just multiple ones that add up, that's what I meant.

Yeah, I can see your frustration, Hedelex, with the whole misunderstanding of "America Tour." They should really specify. Then again, people from outside America doesn't really see the way we do. To them, we are a huge country, so I'm guessing they can only generalize rather than specify where they would perform in a country. Sorta like how we think of Europe. What's the first thing we think of? Probably London for most of us. We only think of the big name cities rather than small unknown ones. Just my two cents. I don't know what I'm yapping about lol.

*sigh* either way, the DVD is out. Not much we can do now. If J ever holds a panel again like he did at Anime Expo 2009, let's voice our opinions again and make something clear to him so he can relay the info back to VAMPS. And please, to certain people(probably no one on this forums), don't ask him silly questions again...

Ok....excuse me for being ignorant....I thought the tour was an American tour? Now I am understanding that this was not what people thought it was?
Sorry for being dense.....can you please explain what the problem was? I am truly confused.



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Hey cathb,

We were somewhat pissed because the DVD is not in region-free format, which means that those of us living in the U.S., can't watch the DVD. The DVD is region-2, which is for Japan/Asia. The DVD does in fact contain the USA tour, but due to the format the DVD is in, it means that it was most likely released for fans in Japan only, not for those of us in the U.S.. I hope this clears things up a bit.

Much VAMPS-love,
H.P.
(03-18-2010, 05:12 PM)polarwhiteseal Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 04:20 PM)cathb Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 01:18 PM)polarwhiteseal Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 03:23 AM)Hedelex Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 02:43 AM)polarwhiteseal Wrote: [ -> ]Being region-free or not seems like a small problem.. but in this situation, it's adding fuel to the flame. I see you're going at VAMPkito, no worries bro. They need to think of us fans more.

let's just be glad they will be returning to the US this coming Fall. :D then we will give them hell about the DVD >:D

LOL I really don't see a big issue on the DVD thing :-p
About support... many fans from Latin America have reacted not angry at VAMPS but at themselves, and I disagree. I am not angry at VAMPS, last year I was VERY angry because of the first name of the tour and what it really was (AMERICA TOUR->USA TOUR) might seem a logical thing for people living in the USA, but for us was like being told we'd get cookies, then saying we wouldn't because it was obvious they were not addressing all of us or something like that :-p It was for me a matter of how things were said, about painful misunderstandings and the apparent lack of sensitivity to tell us we weren't in. Were we naive? most likely, but still we were hurt, we didn't need to be called silly after that shock X-D
This time around they've been very careful, I respect that a lot.
But as I don't blame them, I don't think we should blame ourselves. During last year's tour, we fans were told a lot that the band was bound to be awesome if we had traveled, camped, made banners, whatever for them, they ARE awesome, but we do our best too. Promoting VAMPS is not our "duty" or "homework", it is our pleasure :-D

haha there aren't any one big issue with the DVD. It's just multiple ones that add up, that's what I meant.

Yeah, I can see your frustration, Hedelex, with the whole misunderstanding of "America Tour." They should really specify. Then again, people from outside America doesn't really see the way we do. To them, we are a huge country, so I'm guessing they can only generalize rather than specify where they would perform in a country. Sorta like how we think of Europe. What's the first thing we think of? Probably London for most of us. We only think of the big name cities rather than small unknown ones. Just my two cents. I don't know what I'm yapping about lol.

*sigh* either way, the DVD is out. Not much we can do now. If J ever holds a panel again like he did at Anime Expo 2009, let's voice our opinions again and make something clear to him so he can relay the info back to VAMPS. And please, to certain people(probably no one on this forums), don't ask him silly questions again...

Ok....excuse me for being ignorant....I thought the tour was an American tour? Now I am understanding that this was not what people thought it was?
Sorry for being dense.....can you please explain what the problem was? I am truly confused.

no problem, cathb. I think what Hedelex meant was... when VAMPS announced their tour last year, they said America Tour. So some people thought it could happen in North America as well as South America. Unfortunately, just by saying America tour made it too vague and got people from South America's hopes up because they think they would get a tour too with the theory that since MONORAL went to Mexico, VAMPS will too, since they are part of the same record label. However, to VAMPS, America means USA.


Ok...thanks....because America means the 50 states and usually includes Puerto Rico. It does not mean South America or Central America. That is why I was confused...... Now if they had said a North American tour or a tour of the Americas, that would be a different story. But if they said an American tour, then that is what they did....an American tour.

That is why I couldn't see the issue. Because I thought they had said an American tour. I was just checking to see if I had misunderstood something.
(03-18-2010, 05:12 PM)VAMPS + American Street Team + Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 04:20 PM)cathb Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 01:18 PM)polarwhiteseal Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 03:23 AM)Hedelex Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 02:43 AM)polarwhiteseal Wrote: [ -> ]Being region-free or not seems like a small problem.. but in this situation, it's adding fuel to the flame. I see you're going at VAMPkito, no worries bro. They need to think of us fans more.

let's just be glad they will be returning to the US this coming Fall. :D then we will give them hell about the DVD >:D

LOL I really don't see a big issue on the DVD thing :-p
About support... many fans from Latin America have reacted not angry at VAMPS but at themselves, and I disagree. I am not angry at VAMPS, last year I was VERY angry because of the first name of the tour and what it really was (AMERICA TOUR->USA TOUR) might seem a logical thing for people living in the USA, but for us was like being told we'd get cookies, then saying we wouldn't because it was obvious they were not addressing all of us or something like that :-p It was for me a matter of how things were said, about painful misunderstandings and the apparent lack of sensitivity to tell us we weren't in. Were we naive? most likely, but still we were hurt, we didn't need to be called silly after that shock X-D
This time around they've been very careful, I respect that a lot.
But as I don't blame them, I don't think we should blame ourselves. During last year's tour, we fans were told a lot that the band was bound to be awesome if we had traveled, camped, made banners, whatever for them, they ARE awesome, but we do our best too. Promoting VAMPS is not our "duty" or "homework", it is our pleasure :-D

haha there aren't any one big issue with the DVD. It's just multiple ones that add up, that's what I meant.

Yeah, I can see your frustration, Hedelex, with the whole misunderstanding of "America Tour." They should really specify. Then again, people from outside America doesn't really see the way we do. To them, we are a huge country, so I'm guessing they can only generalize rather than specify where they would perform in a country. Sorta like how we think of Europe. What's the first thing we think of? Probably London for most of us. We only think of the big name cities rather than small unknown ones. Just my two cents. I don't know what I'm yapping about lol.

*sigh* either way, the DVD is out. Not much we can do now. If J ever holds a panel again like he did at Anime Expo 2009, let's voice our opinions again and make something clear to him so he can relay the info back to VAMPS. And please, to certain people(probably no one on this forums), don't ask him silly questions again...

Ok....excuse me for being ignorant....I thought the tour was an American tour? Now I am understanding that this was not what people thought it was?
Sorry for being dense.....can you please explain what the problem was? I am truly confused.



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Hey cathb,

We were somewhat pissed because the DVD is not in region-free format, which means that those of us living in the U.S., can't watch the DVD. The DVD is region-2, which is for Japan/Asia. The DVD does in fact contain the USA tour, but due to the format the DVD is in, it means that it was most likely released for fans in Japan only, not for those of us in the U.S.. I hope this clears things up a bit.

Much VAMPS-love,
H.P.


Thanks...I was confused on the name of the tour though which I already replied to.

I guess my thinking is that I am so used to them being a Japanese band that I only expect everything to be in region 2....for their native country. Just like when they buy from the U.S., they know it is not compatible for them.
All of L'arc's stuff or SID's stuff that I buy (or anyone else from Japan) is always region 2. I guess that I just don't think about it.
Everything that I own is region free or was hacked to be so. Just another expense of loving a Japanese band. :)

I just checked and mine is region free.
I am very confused about the region thing.

Making it region 2 for Japan/Asia only makes no sense. That didn't do that for the other dvds so it makes no sense to change it now. I really don't think they care who buys it as long as they sell.

Someone on facebook said theirs was multi-region..and vegetapr69 said the dvd says it's all region.

That makes me think they've intended for it to be released all region, but there may have been a screw up.
(03-18-2010, 06:09 PM)Tokio Wrote: [ -> ]I am very confused about the region thing.

Making it region 2 for Japan/Asia only makes no sense. That didn't do that for the other dvds so it makes no sense to change it now. I really don't think they care who buys it as long as they sell.

Someone on facebook said theirs was multi-region..and vegetapr69 said the dvd says it's all region.

That makes me think they've intended for it to be released all region, but there may have been a screw up.


That could very well be. I'll have to check mine when I get home and see what it says. I just expect everything that comes out of Japan to be region 2 so I never pay any attention to it.
(03-18-2010, 05:24 PM)cathb Wrote: [ -> ]Ok...thanks....because America means the 50 states and usually includes Puerto Rico. It does not mean South America or Central America. That is why I was confused...... Now if they had said a North American tour or a tour of the Americas, that would be a different story. But if they said an American tour, then that is what they did....an American tour.

That is why I couldn't see the issue. Because I thought they had said an American tour. I was just checking to see if I had misunderstood something.

Well, that's what I tried to explain and Whitepolarseal too. AMERICA for the rest of the American continent, is the whole continent, not only USA.
United States of America is the official name of the country. Like Estados Unidos Mexicanos is our official name. There is also Estado de México, which is a state within my country. When we say "Mexico" we don't talk only about Estado de México, we think they are talking about the whole country.
In the rest of Centroamérica y Sudamérica it is pretty much the same. You say America, we feel spoken to, we ARE part of America.
Like I stated before, for you people living in USA it is common to call your country America and to have people from other continents do the same, and you think America means only you, but for some of us living in America too but not in your country, it is a little cruel. It is like saying Irish people cannot call themselves "european" or consider they are living in Europe. I feel it sort of attempts against our identity.
That is why I was very glad and thankful about that VAMPS Tour last year being Called VAMPS USA and not VAMPS AMERICA. I don't mean to insult anyone or to make a drama, it is just that some things that might seem obvious or silly or little to us are important to others and we can't even imagine that. So I hope I made it a little more clear.
i know i like the rest of you purchased the DVD thinking it was going to be region free and when i popped it in my dvd player i found out it indeed was not. the only way i got to watch the DVD was by converting my laptop.
(03-18-2010, 06:44 PM)Hedelex Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2010, 05:24 PM)cathb Wrote: [ -> ]Ok...thanks....because America means the 50 states and usually includes Puerto Rico. It does not mean South America or Central America. That is why I was confused...... Now if they had said a North American tour or a tour of the Americas, that would be a different story. But if they said an American tour, then that is what they did....an American tour.

That is why I couldn't see the issue. Because I thought they had said an American tour. I was just checking to see if I had misunderstood something.

Well, that's what I tried to explain and Whitepolarseal too. AMERICA for the rest of the American continent, is the whole continent, not only USA.
United States of America is the official name of the country. Like Estados Unidos Mexicanos is our official name. There is also Estado de México, which is a state within my country. When we say "Mexico" we don't talk only about Estado de México, we think they are talking about the whole country.
In the rest of Centroamérica y Sudamérica it is pretty much the same. You say America, we feel spoken to, we ARE part of America.
Like I stated before, for you people living in USA it is common to call your country America and to have people from other continents do the same, and you think America means only you, but for some of us living in America too but not in your country, it is a little cruel. It is like saying Irish people cannot call themselves "european" or consider they are living in Europe. I feel it sort of attempts against our identity.
That is why I was very glad and thankful about that VAMPS Tour last year being Called VAMPS USA and not VAMPS AMERICA. I don't mean to insult anyone or to make a drama, it is just that some things that might seem obvious or silly or little to us are important to others and we can't even imagine that. So I hope I made it a little more clear.

I guess it is a cultural difference. Because with your definition, Canada is then a part of America. To people living in the United States, Canada is Canada and not a part of America. My Canadian friends feel the same way. They live in Canada....not America. However, it IS a part of the North American continent just like Mexico and Central America are.

So again, I guess it is the difference in the cultures and what you were taught in school. To Americans, the word "America" means the U.S.
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