(07-17-2010, 01:17 PM)Bebe Wrote:

(07-17-2010, 06:10 AM)VAMPS + American Street Team + Wrote:

(07-17-2010, 03:20 AM)Bebe Wrote: The big issue with cutting is, as was mentioned before, when a group holds a spot for a person or two, who have 3 friends with them, who have a boyfriend with them, who has another friend with them, who has 2 more friends, and so on, who all show up an hour or two before doors time, without the people behind them having any prior knowledge of it.

I would NEVER do this, and if I was aware of people doing it to myself or others, I wouldn't stand for it, and I would stick up for others. If the list is there to prevent this, then sure, I support having a list.

I don't think that a group holding spot for one or two people, who arrive many hours before doors time, and hopefully have let the people around/behind them know they are coming, is that much of an issue. As H.P. mentioned, she was holding a spot for someone, and let the people around her know, so it wouldn't be an issue.

Honestly, I don't know if my friends let the people around them know they were holding a spot for me. I thought that they had, or tried to. But if they didn't, I'm truly sorry, it's my fault for not getting there the same time they did.

Lists didn't bother me before. The root of the reason why having a list upsets me now since the Wiltern show, is that I ask myself, why was I considered an "issue" when I joined my friends, but someone else (sorry I don't mean to attack you H.P.) can hold a spot for someone in a similar way WITHOUT it being an issue?

At the time, I thought that because H.P. was in some way involved with the list (I assumed she was, because she was the one who asked me to sign it) it was "allowed" for her to include her friend, but not for my friends to include me. That's just the way it seemed at the time. And that is what really turned me off to having a list - it SEEMED like a way for the people involved in the creation and/or execution of the list to allow who they wanted, and not allow who they didn't want to.

And, when there's a list it makes no sense for me to not sign it just because I don't like it, as that's not going to make it disappear. That would just make me look like I wasn't even there in line at all.

btw again H.P., I don't mean to specifically insult you or attack you, because I don't necessarily think you did something wrong. I just don't understand why it's a double standard - that some can do what you did, but others cannot.

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For starters, I didn't even know you were with anyone else other than the person that was with you. When I asked you to sign the list, I specifically told you that the list wasn't official and that it was meant for in case we got removed from the line, everyone could like up accordingly. So that way, issues of having to re-line up could be avoided. At that time, that was what I was told the list was about. I wasn't the one who started it. This isn't a personal attack on you, rather, I just hope to clarify the situation. I had never met you before that night, and you didn't express to me that you were supposed to be in line with your friends, or however that was to work.

This is completely untrue. Maybe you've forgotten, and it would make sense if you had forgotten because this was nearly a year ago, and so much happened that day.

When I first arrived to the line in the middle of the night, and you said hello to me and asked me to sign up at the list, I told you I had friends who had arrived already that were holding me a spot, that I really wanted to join them, and would feel more comfortable if I could. I absolutely DID express that to you. I told you I was going to go find them, and I walked away from you to go get in line with them. I don't know how I could have been any clearer with you to make you understand, when I had already told you very clearly, and you had absolutely acknowledged what I had said.

You held a spot for a friend in the same way my friends held a spot for me. I showed up to the line even earlier than your friend did, because I believe I remember when she came. Please don't act like I did something wrong, accusing me of not telling you my intent when I did (who are you that I should have to tell, anyway?) and acting like it's okay for you, thanks. That's what I don't want this list to bring about as it did last year, that some are privileged to hold spots and others aren't. Official or not, those who aren't privileged to be able to have a spot held for them according to the list will be called issues, almost a year later, for expressing an opinion on the matter.

If the list is really only to keep things generally organized when people camp, then fine, I don't have problems with it.

Ha~ agree! Ok so, in LA i was told by YOU (H.P.) that the line was to avoid cutting. You said "You can sign the list and leave.." because it was to HOLD your spot in line. And that we werent allowed to let people cut period. I remember exactly because you even gave us directions to Hollywood Blvd. for my friend to get her tattoo. SO we left for a few hrs and exchanged place with friends who were really "holding" our spots. We all even slept there ALL OF US. And yet that morning your friend came in and cut with YOU! And yet you give shit to bebe for cutting?? She came at 4am! your friend was there hours before only! I remember that exactly because you sat that down in the sidewalk and cried because you pretty much contradicted yourself. I cant believe you all are having such a big issue about this! PEOPLE.ARE.GOING.TO.CUT.REGARDLESS. Our Street Team Leader is full proof of that. I am ok with like stated before 3 ppl max, we will all sign the fucking list because then it will be seen as we cut if we're not in it but its STUPID. period.

(and just to clear things up I am not accusing anyone, its ok that Heather let her friend cut IT DOESNT MATTER, it was ONE person, nothing wrong with that but seriously??)

This is Jazmin btw (too lazy to sign in)