(07-17-2010, 03:20 AM)Bebe Wrote: The big issue with cutting is, as was mentioned before, when a group holds a spot for a person or two, who have 3 friends with them, who have a boyfriend with them, who has another friend with them, who has 2 more friends, and so on, who all show up an hour or two before doors time, without the people behind them having any prior knowledge of it.

I would NEVER do this, and if I was aware of people doing it to myself or others, I wouldn't stand for it, and I would stick up for others. If the list is there to prevent this, then sure, I support having a list.

I don't think that a group holding spot for one or two people, who arrive many hours before doors time, and hopefully have let the people around/behind them know they are coming, is that much of an issue. As H.P. mentioned, she was holding a spot for someone, and let the people around her know, so it wouldn't be an issue.

Honestly, I don't know if my friends let the people around them know they were holding a spot for me. I thought that they had, or tried to. But if they didn't, I'm truly sorry, it's my fault for not getting there the same time they did.

Lists didn't bother me before. The root of the reason why having a list upsets me now since the Wiltern show, is that I ask myself, why was I considered an "issue" when I joined my friends, but someone else (sorry I don't mean to attack you H.P.) can hold a spot for someone in a similar way WITHOUT it being an issue?

At the time, I thought that because H.P. was in some way involved with the list (I assumed she was, because she was the one who asked me to sign it) it was "allowed" for her to include her friend, but not for my friends to include me. That's just the way it seemed at the time. And that is what really turned me off to having a list - it SEEMED like a way for the people involved in the creation and/or execution of the list to allow who they wanted, and not allow who they didn't want to.

And, when there's a list it makes no sense for me to not sign it just because I don't like it, as that's not going to make it disappear. That would just make me look like I wasn't even there in line at all.

btw again H.P., I don't mean to specifically insult you or attack you, because I don't necessarily think you did something wrong. I just don't understand why it's a double standard - that some can do what you did, but others cannot.

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For starters, I didn't even know you were with anyone else other than the person that was with you. When I asked you to sign the list, I specifically told you that the list wasn't official and that it was meant for in case we got removed from the line, everyone could like up accordingly. So that way, issues of having to re-line up could be avoided. At that time, that was what I was told the list was about. I wasn't the one who started it. This isn't a personal attack on you, rather, I just hope to clarify the situation. I had never met you before that night, and you didn't express to me that you were supposed to be in line with your friends, or however that was to work.

I have mentioned in my previous posts that I, too, agree that someone doesn't have the right to tell someone how to line up or with whom. Unless you are part of VAMPS' Official staff and have some actual "control" over the line, no one has that authority, especially including myself. I also expressed this same point to the people who initially started the list in the first place, to which they then replied: "the list isn't for those purposes, just in case we get removed from the line during the night, we can all line back up the way we were." So I felt that may be a good idea, especially since security guards from the Wiltern and the neighboring building did in fact patrol the venue site at night.

So, I do apologize for any inconveniences this may have caused, but know that was not the original intention of the list in the first place. The same applies to the future list that may be created for the upcoming Los Angeles show: it is SOLELY meant for lining up the way we were that day, in the event that we should get removed line while camping out, nothing more than that. Thank you.