VAMPS International - L'Arc~en~Ciel International

Hey all,

As we all know VAMPS will be doing a world tour! This forum was created as a tour support forum for fans during the USA tour, but now things have to change.

Very soon the forum will be changed from VAMPS USA to VAMPS International. Also, I will hopefully be changing the layout a little bit. Nothing major I don't think, just cleaning it up a bit.

All the posts from the old shows will be locked and moved to an 'Archive' forum. The new dates will be added when we know them.

And with a world tour comes...world languages. We've been English so far but things will have to change now. I have been trying to figure out HOW I'll keep all the languages organized.

My current idea is this:

Create a forum section for each tour date (like we have now) and create subforums under that with all the popular languages for that area.

For example:

Location A Sept. XX, 2010
----- English
----- French
----- Spanish
----- Other
Location B, Sept. XX, 2010
----- English
----- Spanish
----- Other

And so on. So far that is the only idea I have that keeps everything somewhat clean.

General Chat will stay English, and the current International Forum will be used as a General Chat for the other languages.

As I start working on changes I want to know: Do any of you have ideas or suggestions? Questions about forum renewal? Random comments?

Hopefully we'll all have a fantastic VAMPS-y year together and I hope everyone gets a chance to see the boys.

Tokio

quote='Tokio' pid='9703' dateline='1266509766']
Hey all,

As we all know VAMPS will be doing a world tour! This forum was created as a tour support forum for fans during the USA tour, but now things have to change.

Very soon the forum will be changed from VAMPS USA to VAMPS International. Also, I will hopefully be changing the layout a little bit. Nothing major I don't think, just cleaning it up a bit.

All the posts from the old shows will be locked and moved to an 'Archive' forum. The new dates will be added when we know them.

And with a world tour comes...world languages. We've been English so far but things will have to change now. I have been trying to figure out HOW I'll keep all the languages organized.

My current idea is this:

Create a forum section for each tour date (like we have now) and create subforums under that with all the popular languages for that area.

For example:

Location A Sept. XX, 2010
----- English
----- French
----- Spanish
----- Other
Location B, Sept. XX, 2010
----- English
----- Spanish
----- Other

And so on. So far that is the only idea I have that keeps everything somewhat clean.

General Chat will stay English, and the current International Forum will be used as a General Chat for the other languages.

As I start working on changes I want to know: Do any of you have ideas or suggestions? Questions about forum renewal? Random comments?

Hopefully we'll all have a fantastic VAMPS-y year together and I hope everyone gets a chance to see the boys.

Tokio
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Why not keep the international languages together as you have them now? Those of us who don't read French, as an example, can just mark the forum as read. I like the way you have it now and you have done a really good job.

If this is what you already said, and I'm just confused, please ignore. :)

I think you have a pretty decent idea already. My only problem is that it my intimidate some members because of the large amounts of categories and sub-categories. But you look like you have it pretty organized, so it shouldn't be too big of a problem. I can't think of anything I'd change in your plan.

(02-18-2010, 03:38 PM)cathb Wrote: [ -> ]Why not keep the international languages together as you have them now? Those of us who don't read French, as an example, can just mark the forum as read. I like the way you have it now and you have done a really good job.

If this is what you already said, and I'm just confused, please ignore. :)

You mean just have one French forum and have them put allll their posts in there?

I thought about but then there is an issue of it being messy. If they go to multiple places in Europe + Canada then that could be multiple locations where people speak french. So you might have people talking about 6 different shows. I think it would be harder for them to organize projects or whatever if all the French speakers are talking about different locations. I like breaking it up by shows.

I also want the international fans to feel equal to the English speakers. I don't want it to seem like I'm throwing them in the corner and forgetting about them.

I also thought about doing language forums with alll the dates as subforums like:

French: Location A, Location B, Location C...
Spanish: Location A, Location B, Location C...
German: Location A, Location B, Location C...

But then that comes out to a lot more forums, though it does keep all the languages together. But that is still something I am considering.

As for non-foreign speakers...I might be able to create a new group for English speakers and have it set NOT to show the other languages. Then anyone who doesn't want to see the international sections can join it.

(02-18-2010, 07:33 PM)Tokio Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-18-2010, 03:38 PM)cathb Wrote: [ -> ]Why not keep the international languages together as you have them now? Those of us who don't read French, as an example, can just mark the forum as read. I like the way you have it now and you have done a really good job.

If this is what you already said, and I'm just confused, please ignore. :)

You mean just have one French forum and have them put allll their posts in there?

I thought about but then there is an issue of it being messy. If they go to multiple places in Europe + Canada then that could be multiple locations where people speak french. So you might have people talking about 6 different shows. I think it would be harder for them to organize projects or whatever if all the French speakers are talking about different locations. I like breaking it up by shows.

I also want the international fans to feel equal to the English speakers. I don't want it to seem like I'm throwing them in the corner and forgetting about them.

I also thought about doing language forums with alll the dates as subforums like:

French: Location A, Location B, Location C...
Spanish: Location A, Location B, Location C...
German: Location A, Location B, Location C...

But then that comes out to a lot more forums, though it does keep all the languages together. But that is still something I am considering.

As for non-foreign speakers...I might be able to create a new group for English speakers and have it set NOT to show the other languages. Then anyone who doesn't want to see the international sections can join it.

I meant keep all of the international together....like you have it now.

The shows could be separate under each language like it was for the US in English.

So this forum would have the English side and the international side like it has now. Each language would then be split into whatever shows and whatever new topics. People who speak/write in a language could participate in either side just like they do now.

I guess yes....if you speak French, you visit the French forum and discuss the shows there. If you speak German, the same. If you speak Italian, the same. You couldn't really set it up though until you have the "world" schedule. And of course, anyone could contribute anywhere just like now.

I think it would be more organized and efficient that way.?????

That's what I was saying with the second idea:

French
--- A
--- B
--- C
German
--- A
--- B
--- C

I hope there aren't too many languages because if they did say... 20 shows with 5 popular languages then that would be 100 forum sections XD

I'll also need to install a language pack for the different languages. I'm sure international users would appreciate it if they could read the control panel and stuff XD

Edit:
Oh! If I put the foreign languages in their own category then English speakers can collapse that category so they never see it.

Like now we have "VAMPS USA" and "Shows". When I add new dates I can do
"VAMPS USA", "Non-English", and "English". Then everyone can just collapse the non-English sections (or foreign fans can collapse the English section).

The English section can be top level (all the show dates show on homepage) and the non-English can be broken into language then with subforums for shows.

Thattt might worrrkkk

(02-18-2010, 08:33 PM)Tokio Wrote: [ -> ]That's what I was saying with the second idea:

French
--- A
--- B
--- C
German
--- A
--- B
--- C

I hope there aren't too many languages because if they did say... 20 shows with 5 popular languages then that would be 100 forum sections XD

I'll also need to install a language pack for the different languages. I'm sure international users would appreciate it if they could read the control panel and stuff XD

Edit:
Oh! If I put the foreign languages in their own category then English speakers can collapse that category so they never see it.

Like now we have "VAMPS USA" and "Shows". When I add new dates I can do
"VAMPS USA", "Non-English", and "English". Then everyone can just collapse the non-English sections (or foreign fans can collapse the English section).

The English section can be top level (all the show dates show on homepage) and the non-English can be broken into language then with subforums for shows.

Thattt might worrrkkk

Sounds good! Whatever you decide, I'm sure it will be fine. You did such a nice job with this one!

Actually, I was thinking you would set up the forum something like this-

(Remember that since the dates have not been announced, I obviously can't tell where they're going to go, so any location names are just space-fillers)

1) MISC.
--General (English only)
--Non-English General
---Spanish
---French
---Italian
---Etc.
2) Shows - North American
--September 78, 2010 at BanjoCountry in Red Neck City, Califlorida, USA
---English
---Spanish
---French
---Italian
---Etc.
--September 52, 2010 at First Methodist Concert Hall in Hardees-Not-Carl-Jr'sville, North Cariginia
---English
---Spanish
---French
---Italian
---Etc.
--etc.
3) Shows - Europe
--September 97, 2010 at lolVAMPkito'sgoingtogetinsomedeepshitifhecontinueswiththeseincorrectculturalstereotypes in Tea Town, England
---English
---Spanish
---France
---Italian
---etc.
--September 34, 2010 at The Place Where Dachshunds Come From in Berliaris, Germaguay
---English
---Spanish
---France
---Italian
---etc.
4) Shows - Etc.

That might just be a bit redundant though =/

Making an international forum that actually has information in many languages is always redundant and harder to follow... but if you don't, you miss a lot of people that doesn't speak a tad of English.

First of all, THANK YOU Tokio for taking foreigners into consideration :-)

I am sorry if having a lot of languages is messy, but there are benefits... for the fans around the world :-p
We have a forum in Mexico and we usually post the most relevant matters we see/participate in from English forums and pages in there, translating, crediting, and linking, because not everyone speaks English (most mexican fans don't, for example).
I know marking stuff as "read" might seem boring or useless, but translating in Babelfish and then trying to understand it is even harder @___@

Anyway you decide to do it, Tokyo, I think the will of the people posting will define wether it works or not. Maybe someone who speaks italian has a deal for traveling or accommodation that might interest me... it will be in my hands to try to communicate, and if we break the barriers of language in the slightest way, it will be great :-D
Like HP would say "No walls, embrace the world as one" X-D

I truly hope we have a great success with the changes in the forum! Some people from diverse Street Teams had been discussing the idea of creating a VAMPS International FORUM, I am really glad that you Thought about it already, Tokio, because you did a great job on the USA one and a lot of fans know this place already. During the last tour this forum was like a haven for a lot of us, thank you for creating the forum in the first place, and thanx to all the people that post :-)

I LOVE those little batty-bats!